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Catari Taga
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Posted - 2010.07.17 10:08:00 -
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Originally by: Astria Tiphareth On a personal note, I look forward to Incarna, and I know several people who actually subbed to EVE until they tired of it and basically said 'we'll come back when Incarna is done; I want an avatar'. So, given that the forums as a whole have been proven to be a vocal minority, here's my vocal minority within a vocal minority saying 'yes please' to Incarna. Of course, like Zulu says, that doesn't mean 'don't fix anything else'. I'd happily wait a few more months if it means that critical fixes get fixed.
Yes, but those people want to play Incarna, not EVE. Incarna is another game to EVE with even less relevance to it than DUST will have. It's cool that CCP wants to diversify, people are not unhappy about that, people are unhappy about them neglecting EVE, you know, the game we currently play.
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Originally by: CCP the data does not seem to support that polished quality sells better than new features
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Catari Taga
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Posted - 2010.07.17 10:46:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren You have to keep in mind that my goal in suggesting these things is to take low hanging fruit (and according to CCP it really is low hanging fruit from the technical perspective) and get a quick turn around time to positively affect player perceptions.
Even all the balancing jobs aside, if you want the lowest hanging fruit from my bug reports, take the missing category icons on the character sheet on this site. Bug reported well over a year ago, and the bug report even told them where to find the icon. Fix is to get an intern copy the icon into the web server folder, 10 minutes max including instructions to him and checking he didn't mess up.
The fact that CCP's producers are not assigning that intern to the job is making me cringe inside and is just indicative to me of what's wrong with their development process. --
Originally by: CCP the data does not seem to support that polished quality sells better than new features
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Catari Taga
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Posted - 2010.07.17 15:43:00 -
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Originally by: Cergorach You want to have fleet fight that has little or no lag, don't start a battle with so many ships in system.
Should you really lecture people about things you admittedly have no clue about? Dominion lag is not about the numbers... --
Originally by: CCP the data does not seem to support that polished quality sells better than new features
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Catari Taga
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Posted - 2010.07.19 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: Cergorach There have been complaints about other expansions, because the folks that complained felt that CCP didn't add to 'their' part of EVE. Be that 0.0, mining, manufacturing, research, PvP, PvE, etc.
Yes, but this time it's different, this time noone wants CCP to add to anything, we all want them to fix what's already there. --
Originally by: CCP the data does not seem to support that polished quality sells better than new features
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Catari Taga
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Posted - 2010.07.19 23:18:00 -
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Originally by: Flamespar Why is it that so many players in this thread make claims based on the belief that they represent the playerbase? You do not. To be frank I'd argue that the CSM does not.
You argument is invalid, the CSM is the elected body representing the playerbase, deal with it. --
Originally by: CCP the data does not seem to support that polished quality sells better than new features
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Catari Taga
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Posted - 2010.07.20 01:18:00 -
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Originally by: Mynxee You're only making the situation worse for yourself with all this technobabble and attempt to reinforce the belief that technical talk is a suitable instrument for damage control.
Erm, he was answering a technical question, of course his answer is going to be technical...
I do agree with your point and the CSM's position in general but keep it on track please. Personally I find the details about how their development teams and processes are set up interesting and you should, too, since you will need to communicate with them based on that... --
Originally by: CCP the data does not seem to support that polished quality sells better than new features
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Catari Taga
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Posted - 2010.07.20 08:58:00 -
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Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto
Originally by: Catari Taga
Originally by: Mynxee You're only making the situation worse for yourself with all this technobabble and attempt to reinforce the belief that technical talk is a suitable instrument for damage control.
Erm, he was answering a technical question, of course his answer is going to be technical...
I do agree with your point and the CSM's position in general but keep it on track please. Personally I find the details about how their development teams and processes are set up interesting and you should, too, since you will need to communicate with them based on that...
The question you should be asking is why the debate has taken a turn for the technical in a dev blog about how they're using all their devs on Incarna. It's interesting, it's communicative, and it's in entirely the wrong thread.
I think it's obvious to everybody and hardly surprising that CCP devs are more comfortable answering technical questions than business/product management questions, and also the people who could best be answering the latter are pointedly not answering any questions and not posting anything of substance.
Also the relevant information has already been stated by CCP. You've got the part currently quoted in my signature, the fact that in CCP's SCRUM system all a stakeholder can do (or at least the CSM in this position) is to submit issues to the backlog without any claim to development time or influence on prioritization, and finally that CCP has already decided on a product development plan for the next 18-24 months.
Thus you received confirmation that the CSM is in fact mostly irrelevant at least for that time frame and in any case always without the power to get anything done. This leads to the present situation with CCP allocating resources in a direction that will help their business in 2 years but will not do much for current players, and a very active CSM5 that people had high hopes for.
While the only perceived acceptable post from CCP would be to give the CSM5 some power/give in to the demands of the playerbase, it should be clear you will not likely get that.
All of that doesn't make it right to get all aggressive towards CCP Explorer for answering a player's question which you perceive to be off topic to this thread (I think it was very much on topic myself but it does not really matter).
tl;dr: deal with it --
Originally by: CCP the data does not seem to support that polished quality sells better than new features
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Catari Taga
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Posted - 2010.07.20 09:42:00 -
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Originally by: Cergorach This might sound as [...] glazed eye rantings
Was gonna say that, you seem to be arguing with yourself, at least I do not think I have seen anybody here wanting to take your Incarna/Dust514/Eve Gate/WoD away from you (why you think WoD has anything to do with EVE must remain your secret...)
Originally by: Cergorach So I like to look at the future as a little less bleak as the rest of you (it seems), so sue me ;-)
I believe most people are unhappy not about the future but the present. You may not be aversly affected by the current state of the game but many people are. It would help you to be taken serious if you could at least accept that fact, and if you like EVE as it currently is it should be in your interest to keep those people in game, too. --
Originally by: CCP the data does not seem to support that polished quality sells better than new features
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